Author Kari Lydersen and founder of the Resource Center Ken Dunn join us  for this week’s discussion. We talk with Ken about the current  state of recycling and the industrial overlay that’s required to recycle raw materials. Ken opines that recycling, valuable as it is, simply can’t substitute for a wholesale rethinking about how we use materials in the first place, and the dire need to reduce the rate of extraction of minerals, metals and fluids from the earth.

Kari discusses her new e-book Closing the Cloud Factories, which tells the intricate, complex story of the significant role community organizing played in closing the century-old Fisk and Crawford Coal plants in Little Village and Pilsen.