Carolyn Grisko and Chris Robling have been in the political  and communications consulting business for years. They’re as experienced in their fields as anyone you’ll find in Chicago. But they admit they didn’t see Trump coming.

“When he said, the Mexicans coming here are rapists and murderers,” Grisko remembers,  that was the moment that I thought, all right, this is a ten-minute campaign. It wouldn’t even be conceivable to me.”

But, as we know, it didn’t happen that way.

Grisko and Robling don’t agree much on the issues, but all three of us have known one another since our days together in the 80’s, so it was an energetic, but respectable conversation.

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